{"id":42,"date":"2015-02-04T19:44:50","date_gmt":"2015-02-04T19:44:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/periodismociudadano.medialab-prado.es\/?p=42"},"modified":"2025-03-21T16:02:45","modified_gmt":"2025-03-21T16:02:45","slug":"sesion-1-planteamiento-del-grupo-diferencias-entre-pads-y-wikis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.wikiesfera.org\/en\/2015\/02\/04\/sesion-1-planteamiento-del-grupo-diferencias-entre-pads-y-wikis\/","title":{"rendered":"Session 1: Group approach. Differences between pads and wikis"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday we had the first meeting of the wiki editing working group. Without knowing how many people were going to attend initially, I just pointed out some very basic ideas to raise to the people who approached. There were six people (5 men and 1 woman) who already knew previously of several projects inside and outside Medialab. The result for me: a very nutritious and full of ideas first session.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One of my interests in this group is to try to find out the <strong>reasons that lead to a certain resistance to documenting \"our history\" despite the existence of collaborative tools<\/strong> (wikis) to develop documentation work. I list below some ideas that tried to respond to this issue, and that we just put on the table and we hope to be able to elaborate and deepen:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Looks like we need a <strong>personal involvement and a particular motivation<\/strong> from users to generate a documentation routine;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the very concept of <strong>wikis produce rejection<\/strong>: there are people who don't trust that it can work if anyone can write and change what someone else has done;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>having to write with a <strong>encyclopedic language<\/strong>, which is not very close to colloquial language, means that many people do not know how to approach the drafting of articles;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the fact that to edit a wiki you have to \"enter\" a <strong>zone with code<\/strong> (labels) means a technical brake;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>articles need sources and that <strong>collection work<\/strong> it can also be complicated;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>neither in the college nor in the university does there seem to be a <strong>protocol for editing entries<\/strong> as a natural part of a process documentation process;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>in addition, the appearance of the wiki format predates social networks, and these are perceived as dynamic and alive while <strong>the wiki is already seen as something more static<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"gt-diferencias-y-similitudes-entre-wikis-y-pads\">&gt; Differences and similarities between wikis and pads<\/h2>\n\n\n<p>We commented on the differences between the work that takes place on a wiki and the work that takes place on a pad:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>although in both cases a text is developed between several people, in the case of the <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Wiki<\/span><\/strong> there is one <strong>succession of editions<\/strong> while in a <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">pad<\/span><\/strong> you can produce a <strong>content generation in a collaborative way<\/strong>;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>We also saw that one <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Wiki<\/span><\/strong> can be <strong>edited by many people who do not necessarily have to know each other<\/strong> while a <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">pad<\/span><\/strong> tends to be <strong>elaborated by individuals who know each other<\/strong> or have certain affinities or belonging to the same group;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>another difference has to do with the fact that, in the case of <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">pads<\/span><\/strong>, <strong>you have a chat in which you can solve doubts<\/strong> at a given time with other users while in the case of the <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Wiki<\/span><\/strong>, even if there is a discussion tab of the article, <strong>communication feels less fluid<\/strong> and the least close contact;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>in a step even before editing, when you create a <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Wiki<\/span><\/strong> you have to <strong>think about what the objective of that structure is<\/strong>, what it will be used for, as there are processes in which it may not be necessary to structure as much; in the case of <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>pads<\/strong><\/span>, we talk about tools that <strong>serve a more direct and ephemeral purpose<\/strong> They therefore do not require an overly complex prior approach.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>In both cases, however, that seems widespread. <strong>\"fear of breaking\" what others have done that slows down the participatory process<\/strong>. How to change that perception will be another interesting exercise to try in future sessions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When later we do experiments in the elaboration of texts, we will be able to see what it is that is conflictive when it comes to <strong>give up our <em>\u2018I\u2019<\/em> for the sake of a <em>\u2018we\u2019<\/em><\/strong>. During the session it was proposed that this \"acceleration\" can occur when positions or nuances on a committed or personal issue conflict, since in exercises such as collection of bibliography or writing of certain statements, it does not seem that there is any conflict.<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"gt-algunos-puntos-de-partida\">&gt; Some starting points<\/h2>\n\n\n<p>This first meeting served to put on the table a series of questions, questions, approaches, doubts, possible exercises and avenues of investigation. As it is a little hasty to talk about \"conclusions\", we will talk better about some starting points that will allow us to continue analyzing about the <strong>collaborative development in the wiki environment<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>according to different experiences, if you collaborate in a project (of any kind) as individuals we want <strong>get some profit<\/strong>, even if it is of a personal nature and may refer to mere socialisation in a collective: we want <strong>form \"part of something greater than ourselves\"<\/strong>;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>despite the lack of editors we see in many wiki spaces, de facto <strong>it is being documented, even if it is done in a chaotic and non-cohesive way<\/strong>; it is necessary to put these processes (however unstructured) into value and not lose sight of them;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>document a wiki <strong>involves a lot of effort and a lot of perseverance<\/strong>, and the fact that it is \"antisocial\", since you only talk to others to discuss when some editing conflict occurs, makes it difficult to create stronger ties in that environment.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Although it was said that the wiki does not work as a collective tool, for the moment <strong>there seems to be no other way to document collaboratively<\/strong>. We will continue to think about it in the following meetings to which you are invited.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday we had the first meeting of the wiki editing working group. Not knowing how many people were going to come initially, I just pointed out some very basic ideas to pose to the people who approached. 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